Monday, September 10, 2007

Dear 4 Courage,
Please respond to the video we had viewed this morning as part of our P4C lesson. Some of the big questions raised include 1) Do animals deserve to die? 2) Do animals feel pain? 3) What are rights and do animals have their rights? 4) What is cruelty? 5) Are we contributing to animal cruelty by eating meat?

75 Comments:

Blogger xavierlyntan said...

I think its very cruel for the farmers to do that because animals have feelings too and they can also feel pain!

11:32 PM  
Blogger Felix said...

I think that the video is very touching and animals don't deserve to die!!They are still living things!!People should treat them better.Just think we are the animals and we are going to be killed alive......!!

11:34 PM  
Blogger lynette said...

i think they are cruel too because although we eat them, they are living things too and they have a life like us.

11:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

err.. i'm Jiajie.. erm i feel that it's not really cruel to slaughter animals for the food they provide because it's part of the food chain. It's like if we dont take the meat from animals, we'll have to eat vegetables. Eating vegetables all our lives will not give us the energy to do certain things.

11:34 PM  
Blogger Wei Min said...

I think that the United Nations should form an organisation which prevents creulty to animals and fine those farmers which torture their animals.

11:39 PM  
Blogger MervynChen said...

I think it was very cruel of them to kill the animals.Animals will feel the pain but they do not know why they are in pain.

11:39 PM  
Blogger Darryn Ang said...

I feel that we should treat animals the same as we treat ourselves.

11:40 PM  
Blogger Zhen Lun said...

we can eat vegetables because if we keep on slaughtering animals just for the sake of food.If we continue this, sooner or later they will be extinct.

11:40 PM  
Blogger xavierlyntan said...

Actually, I have a question. What is the real intention of the people who filmed this video? I really want to know!!!!

11:40 PM  
Blogger Faris said...

Hi everone I'm Faris.
I think it is not cruel for the farmers to kill the animals.The farmers are very poor too as they need moneylive.

11:40 PM  
Blogger Daniel said...

Hello i'm Daniel.I feel that slaughtering animals are very very very CRUEL!!You could just imagine you being slaughtered to DEATH.I think animals have the rights to live.In my opinion,I think animals will evolve and maybe,they might take over humans and slaughter us the same way we slaughter them!So from now on, I think I'll just stck to veggies.=)

11:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

well if some people think that i'm cruel or something, i also feel that the farmers in the video were very cruel too. Imagine if you wanted hamburgers. And your parents give u some disgusting vegetables instead. You decide not to eat it but ur parents force you with equipments like electric rods to eat the food.(EXAMPLE!)

11:41 PM  
Blogger leongyishuang said...

The farmers did not put themselves in the animals' shoes and they did not care for the animals even that they are injured!!! Dieases from the animals will spread very fast!It will affect us toooo!!! Aren't they heartless?

11:41 PM  
Blogger yee yuen said...

I do not think that the animals deserve to be tortured like this even though we eat them daily

11:42 PM  
Blogger Tan Bing Yang said...

Yes Jay.But I think if they appear on earth the same time with us,they should have the rights to live happily on earth if we do.

11:42 PM  
Blogger Zhen Lun said...

i feel that animals won't want to be killed just as we don't want to get killed and serve as food

11:43 PM  
Blogger Kenneth said...

I feel that after watching the video, I think that killing animals is a cruel thing to do. I think that we could also survive by eating vegetarian food.
So I wish that all the farmers in the world... please do not kill the animals in a cruel way. Anyway, animals like hens and cows could be useful eg: laying eggs, producing milk and transport.=P

11:43 PM  
Blogger Felix said...

I think animals have their feeling too.As my mother always say,every beings have feelings(etc.hungry full) I think cruelty means be greedy and being cruel to others.But i don't think we should stop eating meat,just wait for the animals to die??

11:44 PM  
Blogger glenn said...

I don't think animals deserve to die, the way that the farmers slaughter the animals is very pain.I felt sad for them

11:44 PM  
Blogger Mervin Tan said...

I think that slaughtering animals is very cruel as they are so innocent. We must respect them. If we continiue eating and kiling animals, we will soon have no more chicken meat and we must survive on vegtables.

11:44 PM  
Blogger xavierlyntan said...

PLS tell me! What is the true intention, tell me what you think!

11:46 PM  
Blogger Carine said...

Hi! I'm Carine... Actually, i myself is a vegetarian so i know how hard is it to adapt to the food. To reply to Mr Ang's Q, I think that animals do not deserve to die because they are living things, like us. Living things are still living, you cannot torture them so cruelly... Lives are precious, we must not ruin their lives. If somone ruins your life you will not like it too, right?

11:47 PM  
Blogger Daniel said...

I thought the farmers would not allow those people to take the video they took.And I think the farmers were forced to let those people take the video.But i'm still a little curious.DOES ANIMALS FEEL PAIN???!!!

11:47 PM  
Blogger Clare Yeo said...

Hello,I'm Clare.I think that animals is not deserve to die as we are mammals that means we are also part of animals.But sometimes we have to kill it as we have no other choice.Example like if we are in a jungle,we can't find any vegetables,we only can find animals.So we can only hunt for animals to eat.

11:47 PM  
Blogger Bryan Tan Jing Kai said...

Although I find very cruel,I feel that we have the right to slaugther the animals for food as our body needs the nutritions from the meat.But I will say that the farmers are going too far by tortureing the animals so much.

11:47 PM  
Blogger faith said...

I think we should not be so cruel to them. They can feel the pain like us too! I think we should eat more vegetables and cut down on MEAT!

11:47 PM  
Blogger Hui Yee said...

I think that the farmers are very cruel to beat and slaughter the animals as animals also have the rights to live.The farmers should think about the animals,they should put themselves in the animals shoes.Just like felix said, the animals are not supposed to be killed alive,as they are still living!!!

11:47 PM  
Blogger Kenneth said...

What if animals aren't with us in the world? I think we wouldn't transport, and to those who like meat would have to consume vegetables.

11:47 PM  
Blogger Felix said...

I odon't agree with Faris and Jay!! Animals do feel pain and i know no one wants to feel pain.Andi know animals can feel the pain.

11:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well of course the animals feel the pain, after all, they're still living things. We can all see and hear how the pig squealed when the cruel farmer snipped of the pig's ear.

11:49 PM  
Blogger glenn said...

The animals will feel alot of pain.They are also living things too!It is so CRUEL!I think the cows will feel the most pain,the farmers slice their throat.So sad

11:49 PM  
Blogger Faris said...

I disagree with Felix because
we need meat to survive.

11:49 PM  
Blogger Zhen Lun said...

after watching the video,i think that we should treat them better as if they were humans.slaughtering is not the only way to get food from chickens we should let them decide to die not.

11:49 PM  
Blogger Charmaine said...

To me, I think it is very curel to kill animals because they have a life like we do too!

11:50 PM  
Blogger gerry said...

i think it was so sad to see the animals get tortured just so that we can live on with our lives.like jay said,they are part of our food chain.if we eat vegetables,we might still be able to live but can't do certain kind of things-like carrying heavy items,pushing boulders etc.....imagine if the world was up-side-down,and the animals we eat became alive,and they torture you to eat you?you wouldn't one this kind of things to happen,do you?eating vegetables can also be good as they give you protein etc.vegetarian can survive with vegetables,why can't we? we always choose to eat chicken,cows,goats....the same things goes to animals,they feel pain,especially in their hearts.animlas and humans were suppose to live together,but every year,thousands of them are killed.they deserve to have thier own freedom becauseif we have our own freedom why can't they?i feel that we are unfair as we get everthing we want,and they don't and get slaughtered.do a part for our world.save animals before they get extinct like the dodo,which were killed by people for food.try conserving some meat and eat more vegetables.with this,you can help animals so that future generations have a chance to see them.

11:50 PM  
Blogger Kenneth said...

I think we still have enough time to save the animals not to be killed. If animals like dodo were killed to extiction for food, I think we have to save them as we could not be able to see them again.

11:50 PM  
Blogger leongyishuang said...

My suggestion is that we will eat for 6 days and for the 7th day we will not eat meat so that we will help to decrease the number of animals being killed!

11:50 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with Hui yee because when we're already going to slaughter the animals, why bother to beat them into a pulp? It's not funny or entertaining in any way, and i doubt those farmers are saddistic. I'm still wondering why they beat the animals up so badly when the animals are gonna die in a few days.

11:51 PM  
Blogger Wei Min said...

I don't think that animals deserve to die and I think they feel pain. Rights are rules which allow and disallow human beings or animals to do or not to do a certain thing. Cruelty is a character which shows that one who do bad deeds. I don't think we are contributing tocreulty by eating meat because we need the nutrients from meat and we cannot go without the nutrients.

11:52 PM  
Blogger Felix said...

I know we need meat to survive,and i know how i feel to not eat meat as I myself is a vegetarian.But i think we can eat meat once or twice per month right????

11:53 PM  
Blogger Faris said...

Felix, I think many people need meat to survive.

11:53 PM  
Blogger xavierlyntan said...

I disagree with faris because we don't really need animal meat, we can eat eggs no need to kill animals!

11:54 PM  
Blogger sarah said...

I think that the farmers are so cruel to pen the animals in such crampy and squeezy place as they would get insane and hoping for freedom. They should put them in a open space so that animals can at least have fresh air and freedom. the farmers should at leasttreat the animals illness and cure them.

I have once when to a farm and the farmer let the animals roll abought freely.

In my opinion, the farmers shoud spare a thought of the poor animals.0_0

11:54 PM  
Blogger Hui Yee said...

The animals that are sick wre not cured,this will spread more diseases and more animals will be sick.The farmers working only thinks about money,they do not care a bit for the animals.Although some farmers feel guilty,others do not!!!!I feel very sorry for the animals as they are slaughted for humans to eat.

11:54 PM  
Blogger yee yuen said...

If we should not eat animals.What are they for?

11:54 PM  
Blogger faith said...

If i am a vegeterian i will be very glad. As i do not need to depend on animals for food.

11:55 PM  
Blogger Faris said...

I can't stay with that diet

11:56 PM  
Blogger LimJingJieErnest said...

NO,they should not die.They Should have respect.They are also living things.And they do not deserve to die so creuly.You wouldnt' want you to be in their place.We will never know if they feel pain at all.But if we give up meat,we will have no energy for our Everyday Activities.One last thing, what is the main/real motives of displaying the video on the internet?Ihope people buying their goods will think twice before the start buying it.

11:56 PM  
Blogger Kenneth said...

yee Yuen i think they are for traknsport mainly and live with us happily XD

11:56 PM  
Blogger Valerie Koh Suan Yun said...

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11:56 PM  
Blogger Gloria said...

After watching the video, I felt really scared especially the part where they burn the pigs alive! How creul were they! I think that animals does not deserve to die, we can always eat vegetables instead of those poor animals.We humans do not know how painful it is to be skinned and burned alive. The animals have their rights to live, we cannot just kill those animals just for us humans to live. Yes,I know that the famers wants to earn a living by selling those animals but they can always sell other things.We humans have to sometimes give respect to those animals. We not only have to give our friends, teachers and parents respect but animals too! I think we as a human should pity the animals not eating animals!We should think of others first than to think of ourselves first!We should take care of animals instead of skinning them, burning them alive,chop off their teeth!What if these things happen to them, won't they feel the pain that the animals had gone through.
Gloria

11:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well Xavierlyn, if we dont eat meat and eat eggs almost everyday, do u know that it's very unhealthy to alot of eggs? And, an egg is a living thing too. Once the chicken produces the egg, the chick will be inside the egg. They stop the egg from growing and we boil/fry them. So, eating eggs will still be the same as eaint meat.

11:57 PM  
Blogger Clare Yeo said...

I think that the farmers do this is also no choice as they were just earning a living.

11:57 PM  
Blogger glenn said...

I will eat less meat and eat eat more vegetables.Vegetables is also good for your health.

11:58 PM  
Blogger Carine said...

It is really very cruel.. I think that now even though it is just a video for advertisement to let us buy their food, we should actually belive and not believe the video.. Believe as the video really teached us all to cut down on meat, right? And we were all so scared out of our wits and it was very true that it was really CRUELTY?? Not believe as how could people film them in act!? And if the person was filming, people will have caught him/her. But my advice to everyone is try not to think about it!!

11:58 PM  
Blogger Valerie Koh Suan Yun said...

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11:58 PM  
Blogger gerry said...

we shouldn't kill animals for meat as and when we like ,they are meant for leaving.if you were a meat-lover,would you kill any animal and eat them?no right.though meat is an important source in our world,we must still save it,like we do for electricity,water and fire.its not fun to torture animals as you will have a guilty(killing/murdering)conscience.faris may be a person who loves to eat meat but he also have to eat some veggies.vegetables rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

11:58 PM  
Blogger xavierlyntan said...

I agree with you, Gracia!

11:58 PM  
Blogger Hui Yee said...

If I wre one of the animals thre,I would rather die than live.I know that it is not nice to live in there,judging from the video.

11:58 PM  
Blogger sarah said...

we, humans will feel the pain when we are living in such a crowded condition and only little food to eat.

one day, i fear that the animals will treat the same way humans do.

11:58 PM  
Blogger Valerie Koh Suan Yun said...

I think the way humans treat the animals is too cruel. We should at least wait for the animals to die before killing them. They don't deserve to die at all even if they are food to us as it is not fair to them at all. Even though they don't know what is going on, they too have feelings. There are many examples to show animals have feelings. Example, some dogs whins when there is a storm and it shows that they are afraid. We must never ill-treat them as we don't have the rights to do so. We cannot just kill them like that. Even if we are much bigger than them, we still don't have the rights to decide whether they must die or not. It is simply unfair. What if one day they are 20 times bigger than us? Do they have the rights to eat us? NO. It is exactly the same thing as us killing them. See? Just because we are bigger than animals, we should never EVER kill them for food and even if we did we should at least wait for them to die. Always remember, it is simply unfair to them and humans don't have the rights to kill them just because we are bigger and far cleverer.

11:58 PM  
Blogger leongyishuang said...

I think that the farmers can sell the new-borns after their adult have died(peacefully).Can it be possible?

11:59 PM  
Blogger gracia said...

I think we should not kill animals though we need them so badly, we can still eat what animals produced and thank the animals instead of killing them for the fo
Lynette

11:59 PM  
Blogger gracia said...

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11:59 PM  
Blogger yee yuen said...

Why does the video only tell only about farms in poorer countries they only care about their bussiness not the animals!

11:59 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

I think we shoud put ourself in the animal shoe. you are going to be killed!OH NOOOOOOOO.......!

11:59 PM  
Blogger Faris said...

i disagree because u r a vege=';[/4746
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12:00 AM  
Blogger Tan Choon Kang said...

Ah!!! How disgusting!!! I think the butcher is very cruel, as well as the farmer. They tortured it when it is alive, and take of their skin... and many other processes ALIVE!!! I have a way of thinking from last time, i think it is easier to defeat a monster than a human. WHY? Because a human have different faces, but a monster do not. Or... should i say... humans is more cruel than a MONSTER!!! I think those animals do not deserve to die, but we slaugter them for food. Without them, we do not have food. They are meant for food, so they should be killed.But... DON"T KILL SO CRUELY!!! We should just take a knife, and chop there head, by... ONE SHOT!!! Is it right?

12:00 AM  
Blogger Tan Choon Kang said...

Ah!!! How disgusting!!! I think the butcher is very cruel, as well as the farmer. They tortured it when it is alive, and take of their skin... and many other processes ALIVE!!! I have a way of thinking from last time, i think it is easier to defeat a monster than a human. WHY? Because a human have different faces, but a monster do not. Or... should i say... humans is more cruel than a MONSTER!!! I think those animals do not deserve to die, but we slaugter them for food. Without them, we do not have food. They are meant for food, so they should be killed.But... DON"T KILL SO CRUELY!!! We should just take a knife, and chop there head, by... ONE SHOT!!! Is it right?

12:00 AM  
Blogger sarah said...

actually,we can eat meat but why mankind must treat animals that way?

3:08 AM  
Blogger Bryan Tan Jing Kai said...

I think it is better the kill the animals with one gunshot!

3:42 AM  
Blogger Bryan Tan Jing Kai said...

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3:42 AM  
Blogger Jeremy Ang said...

Dear 4 Courage,
I enjoyed reading all your responses. I think the important thing to remember is that we do everything in moderation, including eating. Do not overindulge in a particular activity. As for whether you choose to go vegetarian or remain an omnivore, the choice is still yours. In a P4C class, you come to your own conclusion finally, and make your choice after much thinking, and listening to your friends' opinions.

5:29 PM  
Blogger nur farzanah said...

The animals don't even deserve to die.They need to die just for our sake and I felt very sad about that.They are just poor and innocent creatures.They don't even know that they need to die.I felt pity for them.Those poor creatures...They are not meant to die.So sad..Hope we can save it!

7:57 AM  
Blogger nur farzanah said...

How can those heartless farmars kill the animals.Would'nt they felt shamefull of their behaviors.If they don't feel shameful,that means they are heartless,right?

7:59 AM  

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